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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2008, 08:44:47 PM »
LOLZ  ;D!  This is hilarious! Theres the trick, make it make sense!  If you can make sense, then people will follow you... Stupid people!  That's why Obama's so populer!  And Bush is hated (people hate Bush, that's there opinion, but the reasons are totally unfair.  They hate the way he talks, and use the econemy as a backup even though he had nothing to do with it)  Oh!  And that Cubism thing!

Great, we get rid of MD, but we're still stuck with this guy...
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« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2008, 08:47:07 PM »
 :'( words hurt, you know. :'(    :P!

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« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2008, 09:06:08 PM »
LOLZ  ;D!  This is hilarious! Theres the trick, make it make sense!  If you can make sense, then people will follow you... Stupid people!  That's why Obama's so populer!  And Bush is hated (people hate Bush, that's there opinion, but the reasons are totally unfair.  They hate the way he talks, and use the econemy as a backup even though he had nothing to do with it)  Oh!  And that Cubism thing!

Great, we get rid of MD, but we're still stuck with this guy...

Guess someone had to fill the void that's been forming around here.

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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2008, 11:48:00 PM »
<snip stupidity>


Handwriting analysts? Really?

Hey WW, next give an article by a fucking psychic!

Idiot.

If i  Recall correctly. Bond gave you specfic orders not to call members names, but here you are doing it again. So who's the real idiot?

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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2008, 02:43:31 AM »
I'm looking into my time-looker-forward tube and I see this argument not continuing.

It better not be wrong, or, like, the fabric of time and space breaks down and I get grumpy.

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« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2008, 03:51:14 AM »
LOLZ  ;D!  This is hilarious! Theres the trick, make it make sense!  If you can make sense, then people will follow you... Stupid people!  That's why Obama's so populer!  And Bush is hated (people hate Bush, that's there opinion, but the reasons are totally unfair.  They hate the way he talks, and use the econemy as a backup even though he had nothing to do with it)  Oh!  And that Cubism thing!

Um, and the Iraq War.  And Katrina.  And all sorts of other stupid stuff that he's done.

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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2008, 04:27:48 AM »
Fix the link please!  Oh, and the only reason you CANT vote for anyone OTHER then McCain is simple; life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But what if you love steamed fetus over rice?

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« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2008, 04:31:34 AM »
LOLZ  ;D!  This is hilarious! Theres the trick, make it make sense!  If you can make sense, then people will follow you... Stupid people!  That's why Obama's so populer!  And Bush is hated (people hate Bush, that's there opinion, but the reasons are totally unfair.  They hate the way he talks, and use the econemy as a backup even though he had nothing to do with it)  Oh!  And that Cubism thing!

Please allow me to respond in the only way appropriate:



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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2008, 05:02:53 AM »
LOLZ  ;D!  This is hilarious! Theres the trick, make it make sense!  If you can make sense, then people will follow you... Stupid people!  That's why Obama's so populer!  And Bush is hated (people hate Bush, that's there opinion, but the reasons are totally unfair.  They hate the way he talks, and use the econemy as a backup even though he had nothing to do with it)  Oh!  And that Cubism thing!

Please allow me to respond in the only way appropriate:



I thought that was self-evident. ???

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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2008, 05:18:20 AM »
LOLZ  ;D!  This is hilarious! Theres the trick, make it make sense!  If you can make sense, then people will follow you... Stupid people!  That's why Obama's so populer!  And Bush is hated (people hate Bush, that's there opinion, but the reasons are totally unfair.  They hate the way he talks, and use the econemy as a backup even though he had nothing to do with it)  Oh!  And that Cubism thing!

Goddamnit Pillzy, why do you have to ruin everything?
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2008, 11:14:45 AM »
Yeah, but your part of Europe sucks & is full of hippies. Let the sea in, dude.

So that's why the U.S. is refusing to fight global warming.  Because actually they intend to flood The Netherlands and get rid of the only European country which supported their ridiculous little war in Iraq.

Well, the only real country, anyway.
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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2008, 11:28:09 AM »
That's why the Republican Party hates dikes.

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« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2008, 12:10:49 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2008, 05:11:18 AM »
That's why the Republican Party hates dikes.

Because dikes stop the flow.
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« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2008, 06:30:05 PM »
If I may, does anyone have a link to Clinton's backpedaling to get Florida delegates to count? I read about it in the newspaper here but haven't found a link yet.
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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2008, 09:12:16 AM »
Clinton's Shocking Florida Gambit.

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Clinton's Shocking Florida Gambit
Hillary Clinton's rhetoric today about counting the results in Florida and Michigan is simply incredible. Her speech compares discounting the Florida and Michigan primaries to vote suppression and slavery:

She said "there's a reason why so many have fought so hard and sacrificed so much. It's because they knew that to be a citizen of this country is to have the right and responsibility to help shape its future. Not just to have your voice heard but to have it count. People have fought hard because they knew their vote was at stake and so was their children's futures.

Those people, she said “refused to accept their assigned place as second-class citizens. Men and women who saw America not as it was, but as it could and should be, and committed themselves to extending the frontiers of our democracy. The abolitionists and all who fought to end slavery and ensure freedom came with the full right of citizenship. The tenacious women and a few brave men who gathered at the Seneca Falls convention back in 1848 to demand the right to vote.”

It's worth repeating: They supported this "disenfranchisement." Here's a New York Times story from last fall, headlined, "Clinton, Obama and Edwards Join Pledge to Avoid Defiant States."

Moreover, it's obviously true that Obama not campaigning, organizing, or advertizing in those states hurt him, and helped the more familiar candidate in Clinton. She decided to campaign to change the rules only after it became her interest to do so.

This gambit by Clinton is simply an attempt to steal the nomination. It's obviously not going to work, because Democratic superdelegates don't want to commit suicide. But this episode is very revealing about Clinton's character. I try not to make moralistic characterological judgments about politicians, because all politicians compromise their ideals in the pursuit of power. There are no angels in this business. Clinton's gambit, however, truly is breathtaking.

If she's consciously lying, it's a shockingly cynical move. I don't think she's lying. I think she's so convinced of her own morality and historical importance that she can whip herself into a moralistic fervor to support nearly any position that might benefit her, however crass and sleazy. It's not just that she's convinced herself it's okay to try to steal the nomination, she has also appropriated the most sacred legacies of liberalism for her effort to do so. She is proving herself temperamentally unfit for the presidency.

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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2008, 05:31:21 PM »
And today, she's brought up RFK's assassination as a reason for why she's still moving forward with the campaign. God knows for some fucked up reason.
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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2008, 05:50:17 PM »
^^^ I was just about to post that.


Here's the video:
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HILLARY RAISES ASSASSINATION ISSUE

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May 23, 2008 --

Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama.

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

Obama's camp immediately fired back.

"Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," Obama campaign spokesman said in a statement.

Clinton made her comments at a meeting with the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board while campaigning in South Dakota, where she complained that, "People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa."

Obama, the first African-American to advance so far in the race for the White House, has faced threats, sources have said.

Robert Kennedy, the younger brother of President John F. Kennedy, was gunned down in 1968 after winning the California primary. He had been a hero on the left for his civil rights agenda and calls to end the war in Vietnam.

Barack Obama, who leads Clinton by nearly 200 delegates and has already secured a majority of pledged delegates, has been the subject of threats. Early in the campaign, the Secret Service gave him a security detail at the request of Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Illinois).

Clinton criticized an "urgency" to end the campaign prematurely, saying, "Historically, that makes no sense."

She later issued an apology for the remark.

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever," the former first lady said.

Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson defended the comments to The Post, "She was talking about the length of the race and using the '68 election as an example of how long the races in the past have gone -- she used her husband's race in the same vein."


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Jesus Christ. What the hell is the matter with these people? Maybe it's just a slip of the tongue and she didn't know what she was implying, but there seems to be an awful lot of that going around where it comes to Obama.
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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2008, 07:10:48 PM »
Thats what she's hoping for. Bringing up the issue was to test the waters to see if it was an issue that she could use against him with the superdelegates and it's only her complete detachment from reality that's at fault for her shell shocked response over the uproar this caused . And to do it the same week that the brother of RFK gets diagnosed with terminal brain cancer just shows what a tactless cunt she is.

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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2008, 08:53:40 PM »
If she ends up losing horribly, which it looks like is going to happen, do you think she would ever be taken seriously enough to have a chance to run for Presidency again?
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« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2008, 08:53:50 PM »
Noting says "I'll be your veep" like saying "I hope you die."

If she ends up losing horribly, which it looks like is going to happen, do you think she would ever be taken seriously enough to have a chance to run for Presidency again?

The electorate has enough stupid people in it to make sure Hillary at least thinks she'll have a chance.
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« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2008, 09:08:13 PM »
If she ends up losing horribly, which it looks like is going to happen, do you think she would ever be taken seriously enough to have a chance to run for Presidency again?

Well, she certainly has enough supporters to run again and last a while, but I don't think she will ever be a serious contender again after the fiasco of this campaign. She already had bad blood with the opposition, but now she's engendered plenty of bad blood amongst Democrats as well. They say people have short memories, but I didn't hear too many people calling for Kerry to run again this time after losing an election that was his to win in 2004.

They were just completely unprepared to have anyone challenge her rightful ascension to the throne. She felt entitled to the presidency, and when Obama ripped that rug of entitlement out from under her, she just started imploding and getting more and more nuts. It's just fortunate that someone challenged her enough that her collapse came during the election rather than in the White House, because it's really scary to think of her actually being in charge of the country. Not as scary as McCain by a long shot, but still unsettling.

If there's anything good to come out of her candidacy, it's that it gives other, better, female candidates hope for being electable themselves. The odd thing is, it's not men who are the chief obstacle to a woman becoming president, it's other women.

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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2008, 12:42:38 PM »
Olbermann on Clinton's RFK comment, Part 2

I love the bit at the end where he lists all the crazy and offensive things she's done in the campaign.
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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2008, 05:47:04 PM »
I count 19 things listed on his we have forgiven you but not this list. that includes this last thing.

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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2008, 05:49:16 PM »
I count 19 things listed on his we have forgiven you but not this list. that includes this last thing.

Is that some new language there or are you drunk?