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The Doctor returns, spoilers etc etc
« on: April 06, 2010, 02:54:32 AM »
Forgive me for being slightly lazy and just pasting from my lj to start off with.

He has the gleeful enthusiasm for charging around finding adventure, which is the important part. I wonder if he'll have so much of Tennant's sadness. Nine was the angry post-war doctor, ten the lonely wanderer now the dust had settled - where will we go with eleven? He does still have the potential to be cold and scary; a bunch of creepy eye-ships all running like hell when they figure out who he is.

Don't know if I like Amy Pond yet, but early days. Wonder if there will be a romantic angle this time.

Love the more spacious tardis control room. Don't like the retro central console - taps, typewriter? I get that it was previously cluttered with stuff he had bolted on, but the thing is supposed to have regenerated its insides.

Anyway though a great start, and Moffat is a greater writer than RTD, so here's hoping for great things.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 07:40:08 AM »
I can't really see Matt Smith's doctor having the same sort of buried anger as the past two. He strikes me as being over it, to the point of having a sort of childlike innocence. Or maybe I'm just seeing that because he had his first adventure with a child. The outfit strikes me as a bit silly, though. He looks more like someone who'd be animatedly explaining to a bored class why the black hole information paradox can be solved by assuming that the entire universe is a hologram than someone who's running around saving the universe with a gaggle of assorted wires and an LED torch. This might be because I have a professor who dresses almost exactly like that.

However, I like Amy Pond. She very much has a mind of her own, and seems liable to use it as she damn well pleases. I like that. And the accent. Especially the accent.

The new TARDIS control room is beautiful. Not too fond of the outside, though. The new paint job looks to plasticy. I suppose you could say about the console that, being something of an old junker (I seem to recall reading somewhere that the Doctor "rescued" it from the junk yard), it needs to use found objects to build its instruments even if it is newly regenerated. Or it might just really like the look.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 11:24:05 PM »
The premiere was alright. Gave me a weird Time Traveler's Wife vibe here and there, but it was a decent episode. Especially liked that "faces of the Doctor" scene towards the end. I'm still not sure how much I'll like Moffat's "traveling wizard" angle compared to Davies' "lonely god" characterization. But we'll see.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 04:40:42 PM »
BEAST BELOW!

The bit that stood out for me was the Doctor yelling nobody human talks to me today. Reminded me of Nine somehow. And when probed on his past he seems to reflect on it just somehow differently than Ten. Again I'm struck with the idea that he's somehow moved on further than nine and ten - at least within the limits of how far someone can move on from events as awful as the Time War.

Also liked the dark secret, the government's unique way of handling it democratically, the doctor's awful situation (take the least bad option, and it's still one he'd be utterly ashamed of) but also his resentment of Amy trying to shield him from it. The conclusion struck me as a little clunky in a way I'm struggling to put a finger on, maybe Amy just repeated "old! kind!" a couple times too many after we'd already got the point. But I'm nitpicking.

Anyway a great solid episode.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2010, 02:54:22 PM »
If I'm the only one watching this you're all banned.

(just out of interest does the BBC iplayer work abroad?)

That said, I thought Victory of the Daleks was disappointing. They stopped the android from exploding by making him feel truly human? What? And it felt like the story had wound down after about 35 minutes, leaving a lingering epilogue.

The one cool bit is how Amy doesn't remember the Daleks. This after the sky having been full of them a couple of years ago. There's something weird going on here - fans have pointed out how Rory's hospital ID tag in the first ep said "issued 1990". There's no way he's old enough to have been working 20 years ago. And it's hard to believe that's just a production error.

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2010, 03:28:33 PM »
I get a message saying, "Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you."

I think it airs on BBC America though.  I haven't watched it though....so I guess I'm banned.
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2010, 03:38:14 PM »
North American members get the Eleventh Hour tonight, BBC America for the US and Space for Canada, at 9pm.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2010, 05:22:40 PM »
If I'm the only one watching this you're all banned.

(just out of interest does the BBC iplayer work abroad?)

That said, I thought Victory of the Daleks was disappointing. They stopped the android from exploding by making him feel truly human? What? And it felt like the story had wound down after about 35 minutes, leaving a lingering epilogue.

The one cool bit is how Amy doesn't remember the Daleks. This after the sky having been full of them a couple of years ago. There's something weird going on here - fans have pointed out how Rory's hospital ID tag in the first ep said "issued 1990". There's no way he's old enough to have been working 20 years ago. And it's hard to believe that's just a production error.

Huh... Well, I did think the furnishings in little Amelia's house looked a bit off for 1998, but I just chalked it up to her being poor and production designers being more interested in style than historical accuracy.

No, the iplayer doesn't work abroad. But I do watch the show (though a day late most of the time, so I havn't watched the latest one yet). And I don't think I particularly want to expain that any further, not living where either the BBC or BBC America reaches...
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2010, 06:30:01 PM »
1998? Did you mean 2008?

[edit] oh wait you mean young amelia being in 1998

Except it was a 14 year gap - 12 from young Amelia to the Doctor dealing with the Atraxi, then another 2 before she joined him, so if Current Amy came from today Young Amelia would be 1996.

Anyway tho there is a theory this is all taking place in some weird alternate 1990s where we already have facebook and fancy mobiles. After all they've not explicity stated a year for Current Amy.

Anyway we probably don't want to go linking the illicit means of following TV shows. But well I had to keep up with Galactica somehow so I'm not judging. And I'll forgive the North Americalanders for not using such means if they all sit and watch on their own channels.

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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2010, 08:31:01 PM »
Just finished the Eleventh Hour, Matt's going to take some getting used to, but I think the Doctor's in good hands.
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2010, 02:43:46 PM »
I have watched The Eleventh Hour and Beast Below, I am liking Matt's Doctor. I need to see more of course.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2010, 03:11:16 PM »
The Beast Below was an interesting one. Still getting used to this version of the Doctor, but then again I needed time to get used to Tennant's Doctor, too.
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2010, 10:30:40 AM »
Time of Angels: looks like we're back on form after last weeks daleks-cos-we-have-to-have-daleks ep. The angels are an awesome villain, and one the show can use to push the scariness pretty much to the limits for a family-friendly saturday teatime show.

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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2010, 07:57:44 PM »
Victory of the Daleks... Very accurate title, but at least the Doctor got the consolation prize of saving the Earth again. The part that concerns me at least as much as it does the Doctor is Amy not knowing about the Daleks, but I know it'll be addressed in some way by the end of the season..
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2010, 09:45:30 PM »
Time of Angels: looks like we're back on form after last weeks daleks-cos-we-have-to-have-daleks ep. The angels are an awesome villain, and one the show can use to push the scariness pretty much to the limits for a family-friendly saturday teatime show.

I've been reading some of the reaction to the 'people carrier Daleks' in various papers and the Radio Times.  Generally, it's just plain negative.  If they had gone back to a high-tech version of Hartnell/Troughton-era Daleks, then I might understand it a bit more.

Still, that's not really the problem I have with it.  You need a degree in dadaism to understand the plot logic.  So much of it is too surreal for words.  I understand the Doctor pretending a jammy dodger was a self-destruct device (Tom Baker might have achieved the same with a jelly baby) but Spitfires in space, honestly!  There often seems to be far too much flashy camerawork and CGI, nowhere near enough real acting and storyline development.
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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2010, 03:37:48 AM »
Actually a great idea someone suggesting was, instead of spitfires they should have installed the antigravity stuff in a battlecruiser.

Anyway Flesh and stone was great. Some utterly chilling moments with Amy alone in the forest.

Also the Cracks in Space had some major significance here (and FLO: you'll learn a bit more about why Amy doesn't remember the Daleks).

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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2010, 02:14:31 PM »
Good to know. :)
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2010, 03:35:05 AM »
Doctor in a cake! Scary "vampire" chicks! Some of the effects felt cheap (like the Doctor climbing up that tower thing) but otherwise this was a solid episode. Also good to see the doctor recognise the impact he can have on his companions lives; "you make people want to impress you".

Next week looks really creepy, am greatly looking forward to it.

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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2010, 02:22:24 PM »
Saturday I saw Time of Angels... These ones are creepier than the ones we saw in Blink. Looking forward to this Saturday's episode.
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2010, 06:34:01 AM »
And just like that, after the pretty good Angels duology, we get this. Vampires of Venice wasn't bad, it was just kinda...eh. It felt rushed, sloppy, half-assed, and other synonyms for mediocre. It felt like they were trying to match the creepiness vibe from the previous episodes, but they failed. The vampires were never really that interesting, they were killed off stupidly easily, and they're tactical morons. The Doctor, the only person who can stop you, waltzes in and out of your super secret base twice and you just escort him out. I mean, I understand that this is primarily a family oriented show, but that's just sloppy.
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2010, 06:52:06 AM »
Odd, I liked Beast Below, I was okay with Victory of the Daleks, but I did not like the Angels episode one little bit.  They weren't scary this time, and it introduced some very silly stuff (the image of an Angel is an Angel, Angels resurrecting the personalities of their victims just to prod the Doctor, etc).  And Sung (however you spell it) was just annoying.  Is that even the same actress as last time?

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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2010, 07:01:01 AM »
It is, but she was far more, hmmm, dickish isn't the right word; I'd go with fiery. I like her character, and I like how she and the Doctor keep meeting at the "wrong" time, but I'd be much more interested if they either started using her more sparingly, or to have the Doctor meet up with the younger version of her. I hope to god they cast someone as the younger, Wifeyer version, because I do not want to think about Matt Smith knocking boots with a 50 year old.
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2010, 08:06:50 PM »
Least now we know when "the only time I could have told you" is, when they get married.

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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2010, 09:29:57 AM »
but I'd be much more interested if they either started using her more sparingly
Um, how can you use a character who has so far appeared twice more sparingly?  The only way would have been to not bring the character back!

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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2010, 09:47:01 AM »
but I'd be much more interested if they either started using her more sparingly
Um, how can you use a character who has so far appeared twice more sparingly?  The only way would have been to not bring the character back!

She's appearing, IIRC, three more times this season. She should be used, at most, once a season, and not in mythology episodes.
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