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What should a new SG series be like?

SGU was good, keep it serialized and gritty
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Future Stargate Series Wishlist
« on: January 05, 2011, 06:04:55 PM »
In the unfortunate event that SGU is well and truly dead, what does the fractured fanbase actually want to see?

Unlike some people, I'd really like to see them continue to set it in present day.  To me, the best bet for success is returning closer to SG1's roots, and making it accessible as possible, but with the more serialized and progressive character development from SGU.  I'd be really interested in a soft reboot of sorts: pull it back to the Milky Way.  Keep the existing continuity, but downplay SGU and Atlantis, and depower the humans as much as possible: pretty much eliminate the use of the Daedalus-class ships and their occasional deus ex machina, and keep it focused on the gate and a small team.

Like SGU, have a cast of good supporting players (maybe even import some of them), but focus on 3-5 core players that function as a team.  Lighten up the tone slightly.  An interesting direction would be to play into modern global tensions and rivalries - make the IOC work better as a concept.  Make the team international (with divided loyalties and friction between say, the US and Chinese), or make the gate neutral ground, with tension from different nations' teams going in and screwing things up.  Give the other teams a bit of personality, setting up potential spinoffs (ex. of a Brit team).  With the show already popular internationally, giving people characters to identify with culturally (a la Atlantis) would be a definite selling point.

Another interesting spin would be to revisit Atlantis, but with a new cast.  It had a very casual-viewer friendly premise (Crazy alien city, different galaxy.  Done.), and it could be revisited with a new cast.  Have the city get lost en route back to the Pegasus Galaxy, or have it arrive back there to find it invaded by new powers, etc.  Whole new cast, write better stories, downplay the ships, leave the Replicators and even the Wraith alone.

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 06:46:43 PM »
Well, I loved SGU from day one.  After several years of seeing Atlantis and SG1 struggling through the same old formula, I thought SGU was exactly the change the franchise needed.  So still clearly in the wake of SGU, I'd still want to see something like SGU that is serialized and gritty. 

As far as something that would appeal to everyone, if that's even possible, and bring things back to the good old days of SG-1 at the height of its popularity, I'm not really sure.  I'll think on it a bit and get back to you.


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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 08:33:12 PM »
I'll agree that an international team would be something cool to have in a future SG series.  I want something more seralized like SGU and more serious but with some of that classic SG humor.  Downplay the ships perhaps, but keep them, I likes my 304's.

If set in the Milky Way
I'd like to see more involvement with the Tok'ra (perhaps having one on the team or on base).  I want to know what the Tok'ra are up to now that the Goa'uld are gone.  Might be interesting to put it in an off-world base, especially now that the SGC sets are gone (IIRC).  As for bad guys, we have the Lucian Alliance and SGU seems to set them up as a viable threat so maybe use them.  Or introduce some new baddies (those guys that attacked the Prometheus in that episode where Carter was halucinating maybe?).

If set in Pegasus or on Atlantis
I'm not sure Atlantis with a new crew manning it could work, all the fans would be expecting to see their favorites back in action.  Though it could work if it was set some time in the future (not to distant though, say 10 years or so).  Sheppard and the rest could be in command positions elsewere (though that could work without having it set in the future).  Setting it in the future could also set the stage for having the Wraith dealt with and introducing a new baddie (maybe those guys from "The Deadalus Variations"?).  All that said though I'd prefer to see the Wraith, especially "Todd".
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 08:46:03 PM »
Im in agreement with Jimi on this one.  If I had one complaint I'd say SGU sort of lost SG-1 and SGA's sence of fun so perhaps an injection of that might help.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 09:57:54 PM »
One other thing I'd like to see in a future SG series would be the Stargate program going public.  Kinda stretches belief that they would be able to keep the secret for this long...
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2011, 03:01:41 PM »
I'd like to see a return to more of the SG 1 style. This was the show that made the franchise shine, and, something similar in style might be worth revisiting. I don't think any real jump forward, in time, is necessary. Perhaps a few years and let it resolve a few loose ends, in the beginning episodes, then move forward. I like the idea of international teams and it could make for some great story telling. I think, though, that the franchise needs a little rest, perhaps for a few seasons, before they consider another spinoff.

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2011, 06:05:57 PM »
One other thing I'd like to see in a future SG series would be the Stargate program going public.  Kinda stretches belief that they would be able to keep the secret for this long...

...or would want to...

Okay, I can see how it might be a bit awkward for the president (and all the other leaders who know...) to get on the podium and tell the people that

"Uhm, well, as it turns out, we've not only been waging a series of interstellar wars of steadily increasing magnitude over the past 13 years, in which hundreds, if not thousands of soldiers have died in general obscurity, by going through a network of "stargates" left by a species of ancient astronauts (yeah, those are real too. Sorry if we ridiculed you for believing that one...), we've become one of the biggest players in interstellar politics, built several very advanced starships, and sent teams to far-off galaxies to begin even more fights, and you've all been paying for this without ever knowing it. Kinda puts Iraq and Afghanistan in perspective, huh...?"

but other than that, I don't actually see any drawbacks anymore.
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2011, 07:00:35 PM »
Okay, I can see how it might be a bit awkward for the president (and all the other leaders who know...) to get on the podium and tell the people that

I think awkward is putting it mildly.

They've almost gotten to the point now where it would be a such a huge disaster to let the program go public, at least in any sort general open admission by the governments that know, that it would be political suicide to ever own up to what has been going on.  So if the government doesn't tell people, the only way it goes public is with some sort of proof or event that can't be covered up with the usual cover story....say like some aliens set down in the middle of the day and start just talking to people and hanging out before the SGC can cover it up....which I'm sort of surprised hasn't happened already, given how many space faring races are out there, not to mention all the 'ruckus' humanity has caused.

So in that regard, there might be some sort of series kicking off with the programing going public in some way the governments wouldn't approve of, and then the SGC struggling to pick up the pieces of having to be out in the open about everything.

That would be an interesting show I think, particularly if they revisited some of the SG-1 episodes in some clever ways, as well as getting into how a society copes with suddenly uncovering it's not alone in the universe. 
I would watch a show like that.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2011, 11:46:57 PM »
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That would be an interesting show I think, particularly if they revisited some of the SG-1 episodes in some clever ways, as well as getting into how a society copes with suddenly uncovering it's not alone in the universe. 
I would watch a show like that.

Hmm that would be an interesting show.  Particularly if they show some of the political ramifications of the reveal.  Imagine how all of Fox news would react to the Stargate program or Atlantis' presence on Earth.
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2011, 11:05:10 AM »
Also, it would be a unique change from the usual 'Aliens have arrived, now we have to fight them,' kind of story.

Not to get too far off subject, but that's one of the things that I loved about the original V miniseries.  They took a lot of time developing the characters and how their everyday lives changed once the Visitors arrived.  It was some time before it was revealed the aliens were here for nefarious ends, not to mention uncovered their true form.  In comparison, the new V revealed the aliens to be evil, formed a resistance, and showed a bit of lizard all in the first episode.  That's no way to build up suspense.

So, if such a series really took the time to deal with the ramifications of the Stargate program being open to the public and how it effected a select group of people, it could be pretty cool.

The key would be having some ordinary civilians mixed in with the main characters, perhaps the family of someone who has worked with the SGC for a long time.  Imagine you all of the sudden found out your spouse routinely traveled to other worlds, and fought aliens on a daily basis....aliens that exactly believe in the same God you do.

There's a lot they could do there.

As for the action element....at some point civilians might be allowed to go through to planets that are known to be safe, with SG teams as escorts.  No doubt hijinks would likely ensue.
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2011, 11:11:59 PM »
I was thinking about this some more and one other way that the Stargate program might be forced out into the open, is if there were a threat of such magnitude that there would simply be no way to hide it's existence in order to overcome the threat.  At this point, you would have the shock of suddenly learning your government has been lying to you about extraterrestrial life, but at the same time, need the knowledge and experience of the SGC to save the day. 

Really, this is what should have happened when Anubis attacked during 'Lost City'.  The near unbelievable feat of such a massive cover up, blemishes an otherwise spectacular story.  Although I guess it could be argued that by that time, they've had plenty of practice.

So with the way things have gone now and with the amount of galaxy saving that the average SG team does on a daily basis, it would be tricky to come up with a threat capable of really warranting the justification to reveal the program.  I somehow doubt the Lucian Alliance poses enough of a threat to really make it worth while.

I don't think some sort of quick, 'we're going to blow up your planet' type threat would be quite right.  It would have to almost be like some sort of sustain invasion, like the old threat of the Gouald attacking and landing troops.

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2011, 08:58:23 AM »
I somehow doubt the Lucian Alliance poses enough of a threat to really make it worth while.

I agree, at least with a frontal assault.  With Asgard tech equipped 304's (they've got 5 or 6 of these by now right?) and Atlantis (assuming it's still on Earth) the Lucian ships wouldn't stand a chance.  However, the Lucian Alliance did land a Goa'uld cargo ship on Earth to meet with Telford so they could threaten Earth with a series of cargo ships filled with naquada bombs perhaps.

As for other possible threats...
1) The Wraith find another way to reach Earth.  Say 10 or 12 Hives with supporting cruisers to give enough of a threat.
2) The Aschen (They've got to be pissed we gave them a black hole to dial.)
3) New alien threat.
4) A Goa'uld who escaped and built a new empire.  For him (or her) to be enough of a threat he'd have to have a significant amount of Ancient technology.  Maybe he (or she) found an Atlantis-class city-ship and is using it to invade.
5) Rouge Ori soldiers, I'd imagine that 7 Ori ships or so would be enough to beat Earth's Defenses.  (Not sure why they would attack, maybe some crazies who weren't convinced by the Priors and still believe?)
6) Just for old times sake, the Lego-block Replicators. (To hell with the human form ones.)  :P
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2011, 11:42:39 AM »
I see the first 3 being more likely than the others, and in the case of the Aschen, only marginally so. They've never displayed use of ships being why I say 'marginally.' Now, I realize that doesn't mean they don't have them, but things have an odd tendency to work out like that in Stargate.
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2011, 01:08:00 PM »
Out of those, I'd think the Wriath stand the best chance.  From a production/audience/general public standpoint, they're clearly alien in nature which in turn rules out the Aschen because they look too much like us.  Even the Goa'uld have more of an alien vibe with their glowing eyes and altered voices. 

And I say a resounding no to the Replicators of any form.  I think I'm on record in other threads as to my distaste with the replicators, no matter the form so I won't get into again, except to say anything would be preferable then the Replicators.  A clear lack of Replicators is just one of the many things I loved about SGU.
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2011, 01:50:32 PM »
Yeah, the Wraith are probably the best choice, which is why I put them first.  I put the Aschen in there for call back reasons, though I'd imagine they'd invent a new threat before bringing them back.  And a direct attack probably wouldn't fit the Aschen's methods, plus I'd agree that they're too human looking so the SGC could probably come up with some sort of cover story.  As for the Replicators... I just threw them in for kicks and giggles.  I would rather not have the Replicators show up again.

If there were to be a new alien threat, I'd prefer something not quite humanoid like the Ursini or the blue aliens from SGU.
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2011, 12:54:32 PM »
I was thinking about this some more and one other way that the Stargate program might be forced out into the open, is if there were a threat of such magnitude that there would simply be no way to hide it's existence in order to overcome the threat.  At this point, you would have the shock of suddenly learning your government has been lying to you about extraterrestrial life, but at the same time, need the knowledge and experience of the SGC to save the day. 

At this point the best way to achieve that would be to have an SGU made for TV movie that reveals the message embedded in the Microwave Background Radiation to be a warning to use the totality of our world’s industrial capacity to prepare for something big. That could be an ominous warning about another cliché alien invasion, or some constructive joint cooperative venture like the one in Carl Sagan’s “Contact”. I do love your idea Jimi.
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2011, 02:04:03 PM »
Thanks.  And I agree with what you said, particularly the idea of tying in SGU, but also the cliched alien invasion bit.  We've seen that already a couple times and if Anubis didn't warrant telling the world about the Gate, then it's hard to imagine the Lucian Alliance would.  Unless they simply launched a fundamentally different attack, since Anubis didn't really do the standard alien invasion before SG-1 showed him the error of his ways.  I like the idea though of seeing something that's a bit more dramatic and a bit less action, though that's a bit outside the realm of the more action oriented feel of Stargate.
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2011, 02:40:18 PM »
Thanks.  And I agree with what you said, particularly the idea of tying in SGU, but also the cliched alien invasion bit.  We've seen that already a couple times and if Anubis didn't warrant telling the world about the Gate, then it's hard to imagine the Lucian Alliance would.  Unless they simply launched a fundamentally different attack, since Anubis didn't really do the standard alien invasion before SG-1 showed him the error of his ways.  I like the idea though of seeing something that's a bit more dramatic and a bit less action, though that's a bit outside the realm of the more action oriented feel of Stargate.

Yeah, that is true about the action/adventure oriented nature of the gate franchise. Perhaps if the CMBR message was more ambiguous then the collective Earth manufacturing base and military assets would fully mobilize in a cooperative endeavor to counter whatever was on the horizon?  It would be good drama to see the military hierarchy insisting it was a foreboding warning, while the scientific community takes the opposing point of view. The tug-of-war over funding between intellectuals and the military, coupled with the international political intrigue could also make for good drama. The civil unrest that would stem from the devout religious sects discovering that we are not alone in the universe and how they would react presents lots of possibilities of action. Not to mention civil upheaval that accompanies wholesale conscription of commoners.  Hell, perhaps the CMBR message was planted there to get us to destroy our selves since no other power seems to be able to do it lol. I do think that there should be an SGU hand-off & this is the olny way that I can think of to handle it.
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