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Re: Star Trek Fan Films
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2016, 01:54:59 AM »
If that is new, (I haven't been keeping a very close eye on this, so I don't know) I would say he's a bit overconfident that he'll win his case.
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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2016, 04:59:33 AM »
I haven't been keeping a super close eye on this, but from what I've gathered from comments in the articles I've read about it then the Axanar creator (can't remember his name) has been rather cocky and confrontational throughout the whole ordeal. 

Although, one should always take comments on internet articles with a bowl of salt...  Kidding aside, I do remember a rather confrontational Twitter post by the guy right after the suit was announced.
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2016, 08:32:35 PM »
They finally posted that new teaser trailer, the first of three new ones, to you tube.

I'm glad they got J. G. Hertzler for this film and used him in this teaser for the voiceover. He has a great voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_4W5ywBTpE&feature=youtu.be

Everytime I watch something about this...part of me doesn't want to like it. I think I might have some sort of natural adversion to fan film productions. Or maybe I'm just tired of seeing the same old ship and crew formula repeated over and over again. That being said, everytime I see something new about Axanar, I can't help but get excited by what they've been able to accomplish. Not only does it look amazing, but it has an amazing cast and proves that you can do a prequel story well within the confines of continuty if you do it carefully and respect the source material.

I am disapointed though that Tony Todd left the production. He's as much part of Trek lore as just about anyone and having him in it, added a bit of authenticty to the film that, while not being lost by his departure, certainly helped them get as far as they have come.
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Re: Star Trek Fan Films
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2016, 01:20:58 PM »
CBS/Paramount has released a set of guidelines that all fan productions must now follow.
http://www.startrek.com/fan-films

What this means for existing productions, since everything currently in produftion breaks almost every rule (as if they went out of their way to make sure everyone was effected) remains to be seen.
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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2016, 06:25:24 AM »
While this is mostly geared towards fan-films, I'm sure there's some overlap with written fan fiction.  Seems like it might be a good idea to scrap my Frontlines fan-fic, as I'm pretty sure rules 1 and 3 would likely apply.
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« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2016, 04:55:15 PM »
I'm no sure it applies to fan fiction exactly...so until there's some sort of clarification, I wouldn't scrap anything just yet.

Most of the proposed rules are somewhat reasonable. Even the funrasing cap, I get which quite frankly is a direct nod to Axanar. The biggest issue is the length constraint. Granted, there is something to be said for certain restraints fueling creativity, (which is what Doug Drexler was saying on facebook yesterday) but it cuts the feet out from under ever fan production currently running and comes from a place that makes the rules seem styfling.

Personally, I think these rules/guidelines, have been laid out because CBS/Paramount is scared. They saw someone do it better, cheaper, and with far more support than anything they're producing. Say what you will about copyrights and the people involved with Axanar, I don't know anyone that hasn't seen "The Preulde to Axanar" proof of concept film and been blown away by it.

All of that being said, I understand the position of CBS/Paramount. They are the copyright holder and if they feel that fan productions are stealing revenue they could be earning or that fan producitons are using their products illeagally, they have the right to say knock it off. As a creator, i get that. I wouldn't want someone making money off my stuff or using it without my permission.

The thing is, they're going about this the wrong way. They're not only upsetting fans, they're going to lose business. As silly as it may be, there are people that will boycott Beyond and maybe even the new series because of this.  They could have handled it better, given a bit more breathing room, or actually given support and acknowledgment to the fan productions. You don't have to treat your fanbase with kindness, but you don't have to actively alienate them either. They could have done better and worked with the fan productions instead of working against them.

One point to this guideline:

"The fan production must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content. The content of the fan production cannot violate any individual’s right of privacy."

Parts of that are vague to say nothing of the the conditions that have been violated by the canon movies and episodes already. And who gets to decide what inappropriate is? Paramount lawyers? I'm sure they'll air on the side of artistic merit.

This whole thing is a mess.


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« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2016, 05:10:50 PM »
I supposed "scrapped until further notice" is a better way to put it.  Considering I haven't done any real writing on it since 2008 (and that was just editing), it's basically in development hell born out of lack of motivation/energy/writer's block (and that I have to rewrite the first "episode" at least due to the changes in the timeline I've made in the last few years).  They do mention fan-fiction in the few sentences before the guidelines, and I suppose that fan-films would count as a form of fan-fiction.  And at the very least I could try to novelize Frontlines and try to get it published.

Anywho, I'm not really going to complain about the guidelines and they seem reasonable.  The length restriction and the vagueness of the guideline you quoted are the only real issues I see with the guidelines.  I suppose it means nothing that wouldn't make it in a PG or maybe PG-13 movie.
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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2016, 05:50:31 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2016, 06:08:45 PM »
Oh for crying out loud...
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« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2017, 04:50:09 PM »
An update on the Axanar lawsuit.  The actual trial is January 31st.
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« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2017, 05:09:48 PM »
I envy Star Wars fans and their ability to make their fan films without being dickheads about it.
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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2017, 08:22:21 PM »
The Axanar lawsuit has been settled.

EDIT: More details here (including other legal troubles Axanar may have and actors allowed to be in it).
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2017, 12:51:06 AM »
I'm not going to believe it's settled until I see that Axanar is out and the guy behind it finally shuts up.
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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2017, 06:08:19 AM »
As a consequence of the new fan film guidelines, Star Trek Renegades not only changed its name but also dropped any Star Trek references.
http://renegades.show/home/

Walter Koenig now plays just "The Admiral", the Federation becomes the "Confederation", and there are no Starfleet symbols any longer.

While this may save Renegades, it is sort of schizophrenic to do a Star Trek series and change all kinds of little bits while keeping it overall recognizable as Trek. Actually while it may be legally more correct the series now looks more like piracy than before.

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« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2017, 03:23:19 PM »
As I said last month, I envy Star Wars fans when it comes to not causing trouble for everybody else.
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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2017, 04:58:33 PM »
What if its the folks at Paramount being douchebags

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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2017, 05:15:11 PM »
This whole thing was kicked off by the guy behind Axanar. If he had kept his mouth shut, they wouldn't have gone after him.
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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2017, 05:25:12 PM »
This whole thing was kicked off by the guy behind Axanar. If he had kept his mouth shut, they wouldn't have gone after him.
What did he say exactly

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« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2017, 06:04:25 PM »
Just start at at the bottom half of the first page and work your way from there.
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2017, 06:19:29 PM »
This whole thing was kicked off by the guy behind Axanar. If he had kept his mouth shut, they wouldn't have gone after him.
What did he say exactly
Here's where the conversation started.  I don't know if its in any of the links posted, but I remember a twitter/facebook post by the guy behind Axanar that was made after the injunction was filed.  I don't remember exactly what was said but it sounded very hostile and arrogant.  Furthermore Tony Todd left the project and made twitter posts suggesting that something he didn't agree with was going on with the project. 

It seems what really set this off was that they used some of the money raised through Kickstarter to fund a professional studio that was going to work on non-Trek projects with payed actors an whatnot.  Plus IIRC they were selling Axanar merchandise.  Since they were profiting off of Trek, Paramount and CBS sued, then Axanar counter-sued, then an internet flamewar between pro-Axanar and anti-Axanar people started, and now here we are with new fan-film guidelines that pretty much kill all the existing fan-film projects (from my understanding of things anyway).
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« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2017, 06:33:58 PM »
Yeah that's the long and the short of it. As I've said before, I envy Star Wars fans. They don't generally try to be dickheads to everybody else while making their fan films.
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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2017, 06:35:19 PM »
Oh then i would guess fan films like Star Trek Continues and New Voyages wont be affected,since they did not star fights with Paramount

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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2017, 06:43:40 PM »
Nope, they've been shit on as well.

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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2017, 06:53:49 PM »
As Shik said, they've been impacted by this as well...

CBS/Paramount has released a set of guidelines that all fan productions must now follow.
http://www.startrek.com/fan-films

What this means for existing productions, since everything currently in produftion breaks almost every rule (as if they went out of their way to make sure everyone was effected) remains to be seen.

The new rules cover just about everything the current productions are doing.  For example, the first rule prevents ongoing stories (single stories and two-parters only) and limits you to a run time of 15-30 minutes.
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« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2017, 06:16:25 AM »
The new rules sound like a death blow to Star Trek Continues and New Voyages because these violate the rules #1 to #6. But somehow I have the impression they have a deal with CBS and will return.