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Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« on: September 13, 2006, 11:36:04 AM »
In an attempt to stifle your creativity or clear some of the clutter, (I havenít decided which yet), Iím creating this Off Topic Discussion thread as a place to primarily ask & answer direct questions that should not require and entire topic. And in a similar fashion to the Off Topic Discussion thread in GAL, if you feel like going on about some detail of a thread that will likely derail the topic into no mans land, then by all means bring your discussion here. This is also the place where people should post the ever classic, ďWhatís your favorite movie/ship/series/captain/episode/alien/,Ē that get repeated to death. So in the future if some newb posts such a topic, just direct them here. Big Grin

The same rules and guidelines from GAL apply here, but particularly keep the ďRazor rises from the dead to hack at his opponents with a machete,Ē kind of thing to a minimum. Itís not that we donít all enjoy it, but it can be done elsewhere.  ;)
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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2006, 01:26:57 AM »
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The same rules and guidelines from GAL apply here, but particularly keep the ďRazor rises from the dead to hack at his opponents with a machete,Ē kind of thing to a minimum. Itís not that we donít all enjoy it, but it can be done elsewhere.

I dont recall ever doing that in the Trek forums.
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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2006, 05:02:48 AM »
Was there anything ever stated as to why Voyager only had one tri-cobalt device?

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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2006, 06:55:47 AM »
Theyre considered illegal by the Federation, their ships are not allowed to carry them so the device had to be produced onboard the ship in the time they had.

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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 04:35:30 PM »
Ok, where was is stated that they were considered illegal?  I got the impression they were carrying one to demolish the Maquis base if/when they found it in the course of searching for Tuvok and the Raider ship.
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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 05:00:33 PM »
Uhhh... Chem. MA seems to disagree with you on a few things.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tricobalt_device
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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 05:20:24 PM »
Interesting they 'utilise' them, meaning that they are legal, but theyn were not smart enough to use them against the borg were they, No!
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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 05:50:28 PM »
so if its a sub-space "type" weapon then??????

arent sub-space weapons banned ???
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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2006, 06:01:01 PM »
Quoted from the MA article linked above:
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It is of note that when used under certain conditions, tricobalt explosives can cause subspace ruptures. They are however, probably not considered subspace weapons, as their effects are highly predictable and they are routinely carried by Federation vessels. Subspace weapons were banned by the second Khitomer Accords. (Star Trek: Insurrection)
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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2006, 06:46:02 AM »
Well Fuck the plot of Caretaker then, oh wait, it pretty much already was...

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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2006, 03:25:46 PM »
Maybe they did use them against the Borg and they were ineffective? 


As for the other point... a subspace weapon (as shown in InSUCKrection) seems to affect subspace directly by ripping open an energetic rift in the very fabric of reality.   That's a bad thing for a number of reasons.

The tricobalt device doesn't seem to affect subspace directly any subspace effects that may occure seem to be secondary in nature... prehaps even caused by the detonation of the Array and not the device itself.

Last item...  I can't recall which came first Caretaker or InSUCKrection?   Maybe the ban on these weapons (if you classify them as subspace weapons, which I don't see them as)  took place after Voyager went out Maquis hunting?
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2006, 03:34:20 PM »
As I recall, Caretaker takes place in 2371 and Insurrection takes place around 2374 or 75.
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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2006, 05:20:16 PM »
There is a possible answer then.

If they classify them as subspace weapons they weren't banned yet then.

Voyager wouldn't know of any treaty updates being stuck Way Out there.

(This is assuming the Second Accords refers to the treaty that ended the Klingon-Federation Unpleasentness Caused By The Dominion.)
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2006, 06:19:15 PM »
actually, Voyager had two tricobalts. It used both on the Array
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2006, 08:46:36 AM »
actually, Voyager had two tricobalts. It used both on the Array

Did they fire two? I thought they only fired one, and they made the yield really really big?

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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2006, 10:19:46 AM »
Yep it was two, see this link for pics.
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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2006, 10:24:51 AM »
Why was Voyager equiped with Tri Cobalt weapons if they are/were illegal?

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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2006, 10:28:10 AM »
Nobody knows but it was (sort of) discussed in "The Voyager Conspiracy". Anyway, we're not even completely sure they're illegal. I've always thought that they were carried because they would me more effective in the Badland than normal torps (speculation of course).
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2006, 05:05:17 PM »
...or possibly they were planing on blowing up the Maquis base if they found it. 

Maybe this deserves its own thread rather than cluttering up the General Question/Answer thread?  Mods can we split this off?
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2006, 12:43:43 AM »
So how powerful exactly are tri-cobalt devices? In the (awesome) fan series Hidden Frontier, a tri-cobalt device was used to destroy a Borg cube, which I thought was a bit unlikely.

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Re: Off Topic Discussion - Direct Ask & Answer
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2006, 01:07:35 AM »
Well, the yield is up to 20,000 Teracochranes ;)
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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2006, 01:51:17 AM »
Well, the yield is up to 20,000 Teracochranes ;)

Hmm...Iím a Star Trek nerd, but apparently not enough to know what that means, really. I do remember that an n-cochrane warp field propels a ship at n times the speed of light...

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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2006, 01:53:55 AM »
Well, the yield is up to 20,000 Teracochranes ;)

Hmm...Iím a Star Trek nerd, but apparently not enough to know what that means, really. I do remember that an n-cochrane warp field propels a ship at n times the speed of light...
Don't worry, nobody does ;D. Best guess is that it created some kind of subspace gradient that shears the target apart. Although it would then make more sense to give the yield in Cochrane/meter.
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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2006, 02:19:40 AM »
Don't worry, nobody does ;D. Best guess is that it created some kind of subspace gradient that shears the target apart. Although it would then make more sense to give the yield in Cochrane/meter.

Well, thatís a relief! Iíd hate for my knowledge of subspace physics to be so quickly put to shame!

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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2006, 06:31:33 AM »
I think one of the old TOS engineering consoles gave a "Cochrane Readout" that was a graph of two values, I have to go look it up to see what that was exactly, might help.